MIND YOUR LANGUAGE - Improving Your English

Discussion in '*English & Other Languages Sections..' started by partimer, Mar 25, 2011.

  1. partimer

    partimer H/P: 012 342 0090

    Dear All,

    Seems there is quite a response on some threads; trying to pick-up and learn or improve speaking in English.
    As a start maybe this thread is more appropriate to continue the momentum thats already there instead of the one in Fishing or Sex ?? ;D ;D ;D

    Anyone willing to be the first to start here? :)
     
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  2. kopytiam

    kopytiam Marlin Staff Member

    hehehe nice...

    english is jes one of the language that we need to learn if we were to improve ourselves. most of the knowledge made available on the Net are all in english. the same goes before when the Arabs was at their peak in world civilization. the westerners, coming out from their dark age, came to Arab world, studied the Islamic language, went back to their homeland and have all the knowledge (contained in the form of scrolls and scripture) translate back to their own mother tongue for further understanding and comprehension.

    but the thing with learning languages, its not enough for us just to learn. we must put it into practice as well otherwise we'll go into stutter mode (for reason of inconfidence or cant-find-the-right-word-at-the-right-time). then again, the problem with us malays, when we do, start to try practice, then we'll start to get 'bashed-up'."not patriotik lah", "mat saleh celup lah", "cintaiilah bahasa kebangsaan"...and worst, some would ridiculed the infamous "i-sound-stupid-when-i-speak-malay"...haihs...[​IMG]
     
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  3. manba_nkk

    manba_nkk Arowana

    Thanks bro partimer for the initiative in English !

    Well said bro kopytiam !

    I encountered the same problem many years ago, but may be my skin just a little thicker hence able to pick-up some good lesson !

    "not patriotik lah", "mat saleh celup lah", "cintaiilah bahasa kebangsaan" :- of this three statements, the first one is the super idiot ! How on earth that learning others language got to do with loves toward the country ! :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
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  4. kopytiam

    kopytiam Marlin Staff Member

    thanks bro manba... ;D

    yeah...got that a lot myself too... :(

    my greatest weakness in english were my grammars...always got confused and mixed-up between past, present and future tense. though my chattin with western peoples saw their grammar actually not that good neither...still, yerp, not an excuse for not to improve mine... :p ...so if anyone spot any grammar mistake (which i think theres a lot in my first reply), please do highlight it for me...

    p/s: i hope such thread doesnt get astray with PPSMI issue and other political mumbo-jumbo... :)
     
  5. anat68

    anat68 Marlin

    once my english teacher said...english speak is mumble...for me..to be fluent in speaking...we have to used it always...starting with broken english...we'll improved our english..slowly... ;D ;D
     
  6. kopytiam

    kopytiam Marlin Staff Member

    hehe...yeah...broken is okay...cos theres actually an effort to, rather than nothing at all aite... ;D
     
  7. kopytiam

    kopytiam Marlin Staff Member

    and owh....tips...if theres any words that you happen to not knowing what it means ? (must have net connection)

    1. open google.com
    2. type "define:(the word)"
    3. enter

    for example, i dont know whats the meaning of "astray" (please, dont mind the apostrophe " ", im just using it to highlight)

    1. open google.com
    2. type "define:astray" (without the " ")
    3. voila ! no need to go into any other website...
     
  8. manba_nkk

    manba_nkk Arowana

    Wow ... I am not just learning Englsh here, today bro kopytiam taught me one new trick ! A good one indeed ! ;)

    Thank You very much !
     
  9. kopytiam

    kopytiam Marlin Staff Member

    glad youve found it helpful tuan manba... ;D

    theres still 1-2 tricks that i know of that surely helped me so far with my english...i'll share it later eh...sharing is caring... ;D
     
  10. manba_nkk

    manba_nkk Arowana

    Yeah sharing is truly caring !
    I love to share because while doing that we actually learn and improve as well.
     
  11. wingerider

    wingerider 0125525646

    Lift way,house sir,plese correct me how to use a propper words to replace ..tumpang lalu tuan rumah. I m eager to learn more
     
  12. asam pedas

    asam pedas 017-2486293..sms/call for casting..hehe

    agree with you... ;D ;D ;D
     
  13. partimer

    partimer H/P: 012 342 0090

    Well...well..a very good start and a very stimulating discussion..

    it would be better to word like this ... lift way, house sir = if i may, sir or i beg your pardon, sir
     
  14. wingerider

    wingerider 0125525646

    Please assist to be more specific to (tumpang lalu and tuan rumah) more clearer translating.sorry i m learning and correct my spelling if i m wrong
     
  15. partimer

    partimer H/P: 012 342 0090

    Bro wingrider,

    what we meant to say in our mother tongue most of the time we cannot translate literally the statement we want to speak..

    so the closest to tumpang lalu tuan rumah would be give way, my dear landlord ;D ;D
     
  16. kopytiam

    kopytiam Marlin Staff Member

    wingerider,

    the problem here is, english doesnt recognize the term 'tumpang lalu' or 'tuan rumah'...thats why if we translate it directly, it would sound weird...the closest english word that i could think of for 'tumpang lalu' fer example would be, make way or give way...in malay its more to like 'beri laluan'...as fer 'tuan rumah', direct translation would sound, master of the house/house owner...yerp, doesnt sound rite if we put it together into a sentence eh...hehehe...so the closest i could think of fer 'tuan rumah' would be : host...

    thats what bro partimer is tryin to say...of course if we translate partimer's suggestion directly into malay, "jika saya boleh tuan" or "maafkan saya tuan" it sounds like not what you actually wanted to say...but thats how we say it in english...

    "excuse me sir, could you please give a way so that i can go through ?"
    "excuse me sir, may i go through?"
    "make way please, im coming through"

    the simplest can also be "excuse me sir, may i ?" while bowing down a bit while raising right hand (like want to hand-shake) but tilt it 45degree (as opposed to 90degree when handshaking)...
     
  17. partimer

    partimer H/P: 012 342 0090

  18. partimer

    partimer H/P: 012 342 0090

    very good explanation bro kopytiam!!

    my apologies to bro wingerider cos i'm a bit lazy to write lengthy paragraphs.. ;D ;D
     
  19. partimer

    partimer H/P: 012 342 0090

    For ease of reference and focus on one thread, i copied this here..

    How To Learn English!

    Here are some tips which may help you to master the English Language!


    Speak without Fear
    The biggest problem most people face in learning a new language is their own fear. They worry that they won’t say things correctly or that they will look stupid so they don’t talk at all. Don’t do this. The fastest way to learn anything is to do it – again and again until you get it right. Like anything, learning English requires practice. Don’t let a little fear stop you from getting what you want.

    Use all of your Resources
    Even if you study English at a language school it doesn’t mean you can’t learn outside of class. Using as many different sources, methods and tools as possible, will allow you to learn faster. There are many different ways you can improve your English, so don’t limit yourself to only one or two. The internet is a fantastic resource for virtually anything, but for the language learner it's perfect.

    Surround Yourself with English
    The absolute best way to learn English is to surround yourself with it. Take notes in English, put English books around your room, listen to English language radio broadcasts, watch English news, movies and television. Speak English with your friends whenever you can. The more English material that you have around you, the faster you will learn and the more likely it is that you will begin “thinking in English.” .

    Listen to Native Speakers as Much as Possible
    There are some good English teachers that have had to learn English as a second language before they could teach it. However, there are several reasons why many of the best schools prefer to hire native English speakers. One of the reasons is that native speakers have a natural flow to their speech that students of English should try to imitate. The closer ESL / EFL students can get to this rhythm or flow, the more convincing and comfortable they will become.

    Watch English Films and Television
    This is not only a fun way to learn but it is also very effective. By watching English films (especially those with English subtitles) you can expand your vocabulary and hear the flow of speech from the actors. If you listen to the news you can also hear different accents.

    Listen to English Music
    Music can be a very effective method of learning English. In fact, it is often used as a way of improving comprehension. The best way to learn though, is to get the lyrics (words) to the songs you are listening to and try to read them as the artist sings. There are several good internet sites where one can find the words for most songs. This way you can practice your listening and reading at the same time. And if you like to sing, fine.

    Study As Often As Possible!
    Only by studying things like grammar and vocabulary and doing exercises, can you really improve your knowledge of any language.

    Do Exercises and Take Tests
    Many people think that exercises and tests aren't much fun. However, by completing exercises and taking tests you can really improve your English. One of the best reasons for doing lots of exercises and tests is that they give you a benchmark to compare your future results with. Often, it is by comparing your score on a test you took yesterday with one you took a month or six months ago that you realize just how much you have learned. If you never test yourself, you will never know how much you are progressing. Start now by doing some of the many exercises and tests on this site, and return in a few days to see what you've learned. Keep doing this and you really will make some progress with English.

    Record Yourself
    Nobody likes to hear their own voice on tape but like tests, it is good to compare your tapes from time to time. You may be so impressed with the progress you are making that you may not mind the sound of your voice as much.

    Listen to English
    By this, we mean, speak on the phone or listen to radio broadcasts, audiobooks or CDs in English. This is different than watching the television or films because you can’t see the person that is speaking to you. Many learners of English say that speaking on the phone is one of the most difficult things that they do and the only way to improve is to practice.

    Finally
    Have fun!

    ;D ;D ;D ;D
     
  20. wingerider

    wingerider 0125525646

    Thank you very much to all Bro to briefed such a very clear explainations ,therefore i m really very proud of this pnet where i learned that we have all kinds of intelectuals ,experiences and abblities members.If my grammers or tenses are wrong please remind's me
     

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